Here's the thing: women would like men to be nice to them, to treat them as complete human beings and not to dehumanize them. And even so, you can't expect any particular woman to fall in love with you just because you are nice to them. Nor can she expect any man of her choosing to fall in love with her.

It's not really that complex.

But when people's expectations become their demands, then things get a little wonky or worse.

We just had an election with a group that wants to reduce women to incubators and sex slaves, a group that is LED by rapists and sex abusers and misogynists, winning and taking control of the government. This understandably has women angry, frustrated and worried.

The 4B movement is a completely rational response to a dangerous situation. Now that we live in a society that excuses and even encourages abuse of women, it makes complete sense for women to reject that culture, that civilization, to withdraw from men.

As far as MGTOW is concerned, and incurs? That seems to me to be childish tantrum who don't know how to respect women (and perhaps other people), who want their own way, and get angry and hateful and perhaps violent when they don't get it. Learning how to be genuinely nice gets you to the starting gate.

Maybe men should start with that. And maybe, if they oust the misogynists from office, and show that they actually DO respect women, there can be a reconciliation.